Why do MLs suddenly accept Raw?

[Lancet]

Originally Posted by dman19

Decent looking, or actually decent (eg. totally clean) ML?

Decent looking.
Actually decent, totally clean, that would be asking for too much luck.
Even if she is totally clean, I will be very very sceptical of it.

[Megafan1981]

Originally Posted by dcsch

spa girl can allow fuck so long ah，45 mins

My experience is that usually the sex is more like a quickie sex type and it won't be that long. 10 to 15 min max cuz there's a fear of getting caught or peeped at.

[dcsch]

Originally Posted by Megafan1981

My experience is that usually the sex is more like a quickie sex type and it won't be that long. 10 to 15 min max cuz there's a fear of getting caught or peeped at.

Yes, the ml or fl usually are very rushing

[Megafan1981]

Originally Posted by testoste

I agree. The moment she can take out a rubber for use, I consider it a F-joint and there's a high possibility that raw may not be exclusive. More importantly, wear cap when visiting a F-joint for our own protection too.

My opinion is similar to you.

Many people cannot differentiate properly.

If a "massage joint" produces a condom, it is literally a fuck shop or a semi-fuck shop. Generally they should allow sex by second visit. This means the masseurs there are semi-WLs. Sex is normal for regulars and raw sex is sometimes provided if the they are comfortable with the customers and wanna kc them. The "masseurs" themselves also enjoy raw sex too because they get high and wet easily. This is the reason why sex with condom requires lube at times (too dry), while raw sex almost never requires... but safety and risk of pregnancies will always linger...

If it is a strictly hj shop, it is actually dangerous to bring a condom. If people spotted the condom, the masseur can get into trouble. If the condom is used, you have to make sure the wrapper must be recovered after the deed. Otherwise, the masseur can also get into trouble if her colleague or cleaner spotted the condom wrapper. Usually such masseurs need to be "unlocked" for sex and it will be impromptu. And yes, the sex is almost always raw.

[ripstop]

1st time visiting a SYT ML, I asked for sex but she said I needed to bring my own condom, and we had to be very quiet while doing it in the room for obvious reasons. I settled for a bbbj.

2nd visit today, and I duly prepared Okamoto 001. She turned off the lights, stripped, and while we were kissing she reminded me to be quiet, plus I had to use the condom. Yet when I quietly rubbed my bare dick on her pussy while playfully looking in her eyes, she just pulled me in. She wasn't very wet so there was some friction, but the thrill of entering her raw ensured that I didn't last very long. She asked me to shoot outside but I pulled out too late (intentionally)... the first squirt ended up inside her, 2nd outside all over her pussy and the rest on her belly, flowing down everywhere. No complaints from her.

She didn't state a price for anything, so after a quick shower I gave her $200 and she was thankful for it. Such a gem. Before I left she told me not to tell anyone what she offered me, so I won't be sharing her contact.

[Megafan1981]

Originally Posted by ripstop

1st time visiting a SYT ML, I asked for sex but she said I needed to bring my own condom, and we had to be very quiet while doing it in the room for obvious reasons. I settled for a bbbj.

2nd visit today, and I duly prepared Okamoto 001. She turned off the lights, stripped, and while we were kissing she reminded me to be quiet, plus I had to use the condom. Yet when I quietly rubbed my bare dick on her pussy while playfully looking in her eyes, she just pulled me in. She wasn't very wet so there was some friction, but the thrill of entering her raw ensured that I didn't last very long. She asked me to shoot outside but I pulled out too late (intentionally)... the first squirt ended up inside her, 2nd outside all over her pussy and the rest on her belly, flowing down everywhere. No complaints from her.

She didn't state a price for anything, so after a quick shower I gave her $200 and she was thankful for it. Such a gem. Before I left she told me not to tell anyone what she offered me, so I won't be sharing her contact.

When you asked her and she offered you, ever wonder why she offer you? Or she offers to anyone?

[Chubbybunny94]

Originally Posted by ripstop

1st time visiting a SYT ML, I asked for sex but she said I needed to bring my own condom, and we had to be very quiet while doing it in the room for obvious reasons. I settled for a bbbj.

2nd visit today, and I duly prepared Okamoto 001. She turned off the lights, stripped, and while we were kissing she reminded me to be quiet, plus I had to use the condom. Yet when I quietly rubbed my bare dick on her pussy while playfully looking in her eyes, she just pulled me in. She wasn't very wet so there was some friction, but the thrill of entering her raw ensured that I didn't last very long. She asked me to shoot outside but I pulled out too late (intentionally)... the first squirt ended up inside her, 2nd outside all over her pussy and the rest on her belly, flowing down everywhere. No complaints from her.

She didn't state a price for anything, so after a quick shower I gave her $200 and she was thankful for it. Such a gem. Before I left she told me not to tell anyone what she offered me, so I won't be sharing her contact.

You didn't wear your condom?

[ripstop]

Originally Posted by Megafan1981

When you asked her and she offered you, ever wonder why she offer you? Or she offers to anyone?

Well i didn't ask at all, just didn't bother getting the condom oit from my bag and rubbed my dick on her pussy, making it clear i wanted in.

Didn't ask her why she's willing to go raw and i frankly couldn't be bothered if she does the same with others too. Just paying for my own enjoyment only.

[Maihiamla]

I had my fair share of unlocking MLs on SLG and in proper massage shops (that selectively provide HJ only). For SLG ML a lot is really just based off $ rather than your conversational skills as the place is private to the two of you. For HJ massage shops, you will usually need to do repeat visits, sweet talk, bring them out on off days then back home/hotel for a good bonk.

Fancied one of the HJ massage shop ladies, visited her weekly and after 2 months of building rapport, converted her into a FB. I still continue to visit her at her shop to show support, and once every few months will book her during her off day for a workout session. She is pretty green - still dunno how to give a good BJ and cowgirl properly. Infact I simply made out with her, finger abit, then applied some KY and entered her raw on our first stint lol. Asked her why allow me to do raw and she says she always do raw with her ex-boyfriends lol.

I'm now trying to unlock a new ML who is working in a legit massage shop that doesn't even do HJ. I guess we are all seeking dopamine and dominance and it takes more to feel the same...

[singmarine]

But there are some cases whereby the ML will insist condom however later she just allow u insert in raw & CIP. Why?

[Megafan1981]

Originally Posted by ripstop

Well i didn't ask at all, just didn't bother getting the condom oit from my bag and rubbed my dick on her pussy, making it clear i wanted in.

Didn't ask her why she's willing to go raw and i frankly couldn't be bothered if she does the same with others too. Just paying for my own enjoyment only.

No.

What i meant was you shouldn't need to ask for sex even in your first visit. If everything is natural, sex will be the norm. There shouldn't be any discussion about price too.

And secondly, viet ladies enjoy sex a lot. A lot. They really love having sex.. maybe due to their partying culture.

Most of them say no raw but they easily got high just by rubbing your cock at their clit.

I am not promoting raw sex due to STDs and pregnancies but almost all viet regulars of mine can easily raw after max of 4 visits because by them we would be on very close friendly terms. They want good sex and raw sex feels way better for them. And they know raw sex makes the guy closer to them and can easily get kc too. So its a win win for them too. The thing is if you cip the masseur, she may want to kc you gao gao because she feels really good with you. Then you will have to deal with a lot of wechat messages from her after that lo. lol.

[Srivyy]

Originally Posted by Megafan1981

No.

What i meant was you shouldn't need to ask for sex even in your first visit. If everything is natural, sex will be the norm. There shouldn't be any discussion about price too.

some of the ML if they feel comfortable will be able to do it naturally

[jsmith1212]

It definitely feels better for them also without a rubber.

But as all the other guys above mentioned, it really is a red flag if the ML is able to pull out a rubber on command, be it secret place or not. Most of the time it's just with the flow, without discussion of monetary exchange, end up use small head to think, aiya won't so suay one, just risk it.

Personal experience, first time I went for a massage, very sop HJ, think she let me roam her shirt but thru her bra. Third time onwards, she started giving me bjs, without me asking, and not the half fuck kind where she just pump it, really full on eye contact, slow and steady.
Subsequent visits she'd pull down her tights and ask me to finger her, by the time she was very wet already. I just asked her for fun, when you want to let me fuck you, she just laughed it off.
Think it was the fifth/sixth time I visited, I joked about it again. Suddenly, she just told me ok, get off the bed now, hurry up, even cip. After that she wanted me to fuck her raw every time, even tried bringing a condom (got rejected), she told me she has an IUD, don't have to worry.

I asked before, she said it feels a lot a lot better. But she was looking for a bf/sugar daddy (she's a bit older than me, so I'm not in the consideration), that she's just using me temporarily to fulfill her needs, cause I was respectful and that I'm quite good looking la, figure quite good also, think she see also shiok lol (ML say one ah).

But recently cut down on going to see her. $60 (entrance) + $50 (whatever she wants to do that day) is damn worth it la, but the risk of pregnancy, which I'm not willing to handle, or the risk of STDs, the heart cannot take it.

[ripstop]

Originally Posted by Megafan1981

No.

What i meant was you shouldn't need to ask for sex even in your first visit. If everything is natural, sex will be the norm. There shouldn't be any discussion about price too.

My approach is different. I prefer to know up front how far I can go, and the ML's response, while not always direct, always indicate what the real limits are. Then i can decide whether i need to waste time coaxing the ML into it.

[WarNut]

Originally Posted by ripstop

My approach is different. I prefer to know up front how far I can go, and the ML's response, while not always direct, always indicate what the real limits are. Then i can decide whether i need to waste time coaxing the ML into it.

IMO, the ML’s response will varies depending on her current emotional state. If they are happy, I feel the sky is the limit. Unless it’s a F joint, the game of fishing is inevitable, just gotta hook till you catch a hungry fish.